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How Much Money Would It Take To Destroy The Relationship With Your Family?

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Jack Johnson is an NHL defenseman for the Columbus Blue Jackets. Last November (2014) he was forced to file for bankruptcy, making $5 million this year, and having earned over $18 million in his career.

“I picked the wrong people who led me down the wrong path,” and those were his parents. In 2008 he dropped his agent and gave control over his money to his parents. Today, he’s $10 million in debt. The parents took out a reported $15 million in loans at over 24%, a million dollars of renovations on their home, and on and on and on. He’s now cut off all contact with his family. Add Dany Heatley, a Yankee pitcher and many others to that list. But it doesn’t have to be family fraud to destroy your relationships.

Have you ever borrowed or lent more than $500 to a friend or family member? If so, you’re not alone, as more than two-thirds of Canadians have done so, according to a survey by Investors Group a number of years ago.

But did we always want to do it? About a third of us felt pressured to make the loan and ironically, half of us never got paid back! In the It’s Your Money book there is a section on family loans. Simply put: Don’t do it. Yes, there’s pressure and some sense of obligation to help, but it is seldom a good idea. If someone is asking to borrow the money from you, it is reasonable to assume they cannot get the money from a financial institution. If that’s true, that makes them a large credit risk. So should you be the one to take that risk? Is it even fair for the family member or friend to ask you in the first place?

Yes, it puts you in an awkward position, and it may be hard to say no, but do it anyway. I can assure you that there is a very good chance you will not get paid back, or will not get paid back as promised, when promised. Family dinners will never be the same when someone owes you money and has not repaid you. It will cause more problems than the loan attempts to solve, and the person will likely avoid you, and you will get probably get resentful at some point in time. It destroys relationships. I know you don’t believe me, but it’ll happen – I’ve seen it over and over again. Thinking you’re helping makes things worse – much worse.

If you have a hard time saying no, use me: Tell the person your financial counselor won’t let you make personal loans. But you do know they can get a low-interest 11% credit card that would work, or an overdraft on their chequing account.

I guarantee you that whatever the reason for the loan, you are probably enabling someone way more than helping them. But I do know many people will make the loan anyway. It’s not that I’m now going to argue in favour of it, but if you do: Make sure you have it in writing. According to the Investors Survey, 83% of people don’t – and you should. There is a short promissory note you can  use in the back of the It’s Your Money book.

If it is a small amount, get a post dated cheque for the date you will be paid back. It will put the pressure on the other person to make good on the cheque. The alternative is that you will keep waiting for the payment and the other person may never get around to you. When you have a cheque, you can always hold it for an extra week or so, but you have something in your hand.

Take the attitude, either out loud, or in your head, that this is a gift. That makes the amount only what you can afford and you will never ever be disappointed. If you cannot afford to give the money away – don’t do it. On the other hand, a family gift-loan is still a better alternative than the financial straight jacket you would put yourself in should you cosign a loan, instead.

Three Things I Didn’t Know

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Wal-Mart, the world’s largest retailer has their own MasterCard. That’s something probably everybody knows as we keep getting pitched at the cash register. But I didn’t know that it is handled by Wal-Mart Canada Bank. Yes, Wal-Mart is a bank, something they got approval for in 2010. As of now, it isn’t a deposit taking institution but I wonder if they’re still working on that.

Virgin Money is Sir Richard Branson’s bank. Branson is best known for Virgin Air, Virgin phone, etc. He isn’t in Canada, but keeps talking about it, mostly because our pathetically small number of banks that automatically mean zero competition and huge fees and interest charges. I would love to have him come to Canada.

The one thing you know about Bronson is that he enters industries and everyone gets very nervous. Because Bronson is a huge believer in customer service and always approaches businesses from a totally different business model perspective. One of the features of Virgin Money is that it has facilities to quarterback family and friends’ loans. If you’re making a loan to a family member or someone you know, Virgin Money will do all the set up, paperwork, contracts, filing, signing and collections. I am absolutely dead set against family loans, but anyone who ignores me would have a great formalized way of doing it.

With new credit card legislation a couple of years ago, card issuers can’t increase your credit limit without your consent. Remember that their main goal is to have you owing the most amount of money and making the smallest payments. THAT is how they maximize their interest income.

These days, you’ll get a notice on your statement that you qualify for a limit increase – you just need to call. Or they’ll send you a separate mailer, and may even phone you from their call centre. Don’t do it – unless your limit is really low, it generally becomes more temptation.

What I didn’t know is that the trend of getting you out of the bank and to the ATM machines is changing. Think about it: They can’t solicit or sell you if they can’t see you!

When I was at one of the big no-service banks last week, I overheard the teller next to me tell people: My screen just showed that you qualify for a limit increase on your card. Want me to go ahead and put that through? Is that clever or what? And in the few minutes I was there, this teller was three for three. She converted all three people she asked to a higher limit. Great for the bank…often not so great for the person thinking they’re being flattered.